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pc 2020-06-11 06:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyBteaMnfA
敗登宣布選上後要發錢賠償黑人,每個人四十萬美金......
還是那個老問題,這筆錢哪來?NBA那票超有錢的黑人球星、演藝圈那堆超有錢的黑人藝人有需要這筆錢嗎?

LDSKING 2020-06-11 07:12 PM

引用:
作者Vista
看新聞最好看原文,左媒與右媒最好都看就知道哪個是腦殘新聞,一個事情各自表述,台媒最會帶風向,不少台灣人被騙得跟什麼一樣

Camden PD 還在招人,CNN 用Disband,有些媒體用reform 或remade police department
https://camdencountypd.org/

年輕力壯去報考年薪會接近 15~20萬
https://recruitment.camdenpd.com/

TVBS引用CNN的新聞講得好像是defund 警局全部解散不再雇用居民持槍自治社區一樣

Camden NJ, reform 改革警局與解散差天差地,一樣有警局有勤務中心,遇到犯罪一樣要去逮人關進監牢

內文
"The changes are far from the radical defunding proposed by activists today. But Thomson echoed many of their points. "

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...mden-n-j-force-...
是你沒好好看人家T 台怎麼報導,看原文並沒有比較屌 :jolin:

記者是口述解散原來Camden 警隊改以Camden (County)警和社區警察替代維護治安,是解散市警隊沒錯

Camden 市郡同名,Camden 市是Camden 郡的縣治

召人也是幫郡警局召募,你貼的就是郡警局網站,這完全兩回事 :jolin:

你最後貼的那連接內文前郡警長照片下那段也是寫

Former Chief Scott Thomson, pictured in 2014, led the Camden County police from 2013 until 2019. The reconstituted countywide police department formed after the city dissolved the previous force.

內文第二段,簡單說就是組織重整,民間企業常搞這套,公部門也是

Camden, N.J., took its own big step in 2013. The city was in a public safety crisis, with murder rates 18 times the national average and scores of excessive-force complaints, when the mayor and City Council dissolved the existing police department and created a countywide force in its place.

至於你其他腦補都是郡的業務,沒人說Camden 不打擊犯罪或壞人犯罪不用伏法,怎麼看都是你想帶風向 :laugh:

Vista 2020-06-12 12:49 AM

您住美國哪裡? 有投票權嗎? 這麼了解釋市與郡的管理?

我住的小區10幾年前只有九名警察就外包給郡了,外包後警局制服與警車還是印本地,警員不變裝備與經費更多,只是薪水管理與招募拱籌由郡負責,居民根本沒感覺


Camden市警務改革後提到更多的警察巡街,人口下降犯罪統計數字也變好,實際上呢? 米國治安好有發展的城市一堆人想進來,人口與房價都是每年近10%上漲

The department instituted other changes, including putting more officers on the street on a regular basis, getting to know the community and changing the way an officer's performance was measured — not by the number of arrests or tickets issued, but other outcomes.


Population in 2017: 74,532 (100% urban, 0% rural). Population change since 2000: -6.7%


Camden市 的討論區 你想去住嗎? 還是跟蒟蒻說的一樣嘴巴說一套身體不力行
http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...-camden-nj.html

2012年美國最危險的城市之一
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dered-year.html

2015年美國最危險的城市列表
https://www.thrillist.com/travel/na...ghborhood-scout

記憶我的RDesign 2020-06-12 12:57 AM

引用:
作者pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyBteaMnfA
敗登宣布選上後要發錢賠償黑人,每個人四十萬美金......
還是那個老問題,這筆錢哪來?NBA那票超有錢的黑人球星、演藝圈那堆超有錢的黑人藝人有需要這筆錢嗎?


這個是終極歧視,
覺得人與人對等時,
需要做什麼嗎?

給這錢,
就等於說,
你這黑人真可憐,
被我白人同胞欺壓,
我必需補嘗你們這些次等人。

我從不歧視黑人,
所以從來不覺得欠他們什麼。

silent 2020-06-12 02:39 AM

就那一個人在youtube上自己講講也有人能信得這麽義憤填膺...

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/...nclude-native-/
有找到的原文新聞也只是說在一個種族議題相關的視訊會議中,有人問Biden是否支持對於美國黑人的賠償法案(因為美國的經濟發展是以奴隸制度打下的基礎,跟歧不歧視其實沒有直接關係)。

Biden回答說他支持這個概念(concept),但認為需要更詳盡的研究才可能進一步討論細節。要是他選上了,會允許(allow)這方面的研究,而且最重要的是這個想法必須也包括美國原住民在內。

沒有提到任何金額或一但他上台會不會實現,基本上就是政治人物的標準回答。

至於那個啥每人發多少錢的金額,應該是前幾天有個黑人影視大富豪,Black Entertainment Television (BET 以黑人觀眾為主的有線電視頻道)的創始人自己說說的金額,也沒人知道他怎麼算出來的。
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...-in-reparations

話說2019年HBO的美劇守望者(Watchmen),倒是在影集中的架空歷史中對一個白人至上主義者屠殺黑人事件的被害者後代實施了賠償法,還蠻有趣的,這影集不錯看,但內心有種族歧視的人大概會看得很不爽吧。 :p

LDSKING 2020-06-12 02:56 AM

引用:
作者Vista
您住美國哪裡? 有投票權嗎? 這麼了解釋市與郡的管理?

我住的小區10幾年前只有九名警察就外包給郡了,外包後警局制服與警車還是印本地,警員不變裝備與經費更多,只是薪水管理與招募拱籌由郡負責,居民根本沒感覺


Camden市警務改革後提到更多的警察巡街,人口下降犯罪統計數字也變好,實際上呢? 米國治安好有發展的城市一堆人想進來,人口與房價都是每年近10%上漲

The department instituted other changes, including putting more officers on the street on a regular basis, getting to know the community and changing the way an officer's performance was measured — not by the number of arrests or tickets issued, but other outcomes.


Population in 2017: 74,532 (100% urban, 0% rural). Population change since 2000: -6.7%


Camden市 的討論區 你想去住嗎? 還...
想打臉可以,但得拿比較新的數字,這不用得住美國有投票權才能,井底之蛙不會懂的

2013市警隊解散,同年郡警局也重新改造,在改造重組後要犯罪率下降不是一蹴即成

但最近幾年犯罪率確實比剛解散警隊後那幾年要好,不是市民素質變高,而是警民合作

Camden has a national reputation for its violent crime rates, which once ranked as the highest in the country, although recent years have seen a significant drop in violent crime, with 2017 seeing the lowest number of homicides in three decades.

There were 23 homicides in Camden in 2017, the lowest since 1987 and almost half as many as the 44 murders the previous year. Both homicides and non-fatal shootings have declined sharply since 2012, when there were a record 67 homicides in the city.


In 2005, the Camden Police Department was operated by the state.

In 2011, it was announced that a new county police department would be formed.

For two years, Camden experienced its lowest homicide rate since 2008. Camden also reorganized its police disbandment that same year.

In 2011, Camden's budget was $167 million with $55 million allotted for police spending. However, the police force still experienced a budgetary shortfall when state aid fell through.

Camden was rated No. 5 nationwide for homicides with approximately 87 murders per 100,000 residents in 2012. Camden's murder rate is six times the national average across the Delaware River and Philadelphia.

Robberies, property crimes, nonfatal shooting incidents, violent crimes, and aggravated assaults have declined since 2012.

In November 2012, Camden began the process of terminating 273 officers to later hire 400 new officers, out of the 2,000 applicants that have already submitted letters of interest to the county, to have a fresh start of a larger, non-unionized group to safeguard the nation's poorest city.

The city's officers rejected a contract proposal from the county that would have allowed approximately all 260 Camden county's police officers to Camden Police Metro Division, to only 49% of them to be eligible to be rehired once the 141-year-old department becomes disbanded.

Although the annual homicide rate averaged 48 since 2008, in April 2013 the city reported 57 homicides in a population of 77,000 compared to 67 homicides in 2012. In mid-March 2013, Camden residents would have noticed the first changes once the first group of officers became employed and were in an eight-week field of training on the Camden streets.

On May 1, 2013, Camden County's Police Department was disbanded due to a union contract that made it financially impossible to keep officers on the street. While the existing county officers were still present, Camden County's Police Department brought in 25 new officers to train in neighborhoods in hopes they can regain the communities trust.

The new police force had lower salaries along with fewer benefits than they had received from the city.

Because of the reorganized force in 2013, the number of cops in the streets has increased and spread throughout Camden. Camden's new police force began patrolling in tandem, speaking with residents, and driving patrol cars.

Camden County Police Department hosted several Meet Your Officers events to further engage with residents.

In 2018, the Camden County Police Department reported that violent crime had dropped 18%, led by a 21% decline in aggravated assaults; nonviolent crimes fell by 12%, the number of arson fell by 29%, burglaries by 21%, and nonfatal "shooting hit incidents" dropped by 15%. So far, with only 22 homicides, 2018 had the lowest homicide rate in comparison to 2017' with 23 homicides.

The city has added other crime-fighting tactics like surveillance cameras, better street lighting, and curfews for children. Although they added these tactics, the number of murders has risen again.

As a last resort, officers were only authorized to use handguns and handcuffs. Though Camden officers are equipped with GPS tracking devices and body cameras, the effectiveness and necessity of body cameras remains controversial. Following the police forces' reorganization, many Camden residents have been pulled over or issued tickets for minor violations, such as having tinted windows and failing a check for audible devices on their bikes. Police say the city's most heinous offenders oftentimes commit minor offenses, such as suspects of armed robbery often drive cars with tinted windows, and drug dealers deploy lookouts on bikes.

J. Scott Thomson, Chief of Police, asserted "We are going to leverage every legal option that we have to deter their criminal activity.

Camden City Experiences Historic Drop In Crime Rate, New Study Claims

The Camden County Police Department finished 2019 with what amounts to an aggregate reduction of three percent over 2019 for violent crime accounting for 1,161 incidents. In addition, this represents a 42 percent decrease compared to 2012 UCR numbers for violent crime.

The numbers also represent a historic drop in total UCR crime – both violent and nonviolent – going back to the late 1960s. Last year, the city logged 3,305 total crimes compared to 10,724, during the first year we have on record for UCR data, 1974, representing a 69 percent reduction.

我只是想證明你所謂腦殘新聞的報導是否正確還是你所謂一件事各自表述哪個可信度高,雖然我不認為T台報這則新聞是什麼腦殘新聞

但看來它們報導就算不是很完整但也接近事實,你的說法就只是各自表述被騙得跟什麼ㄧ樣,難怪川普會當總統 :laugh:

LDSKING 2020-06-12 03:01 AM

引用:
作者記憶我的RDesign
這個是終極歧視,
覺得人與人對等時,
需要做什麼嗎?

給這錢,
就等於說,
你這黑人真可憐,
被我白人同胞欺壓,
我必需補嘗你們這些次等人。

我從不歧視黑人,
所以從來不覺得欠他們什麼。
拜登沒說過要給每名黑人40萬鎂當賠償

川粉的話就跟主子ㄧ樣,能信母豬會上樹,你也信? :laugh:

FLYFLY4 2020-06-12 03:08 AM

延伸話題,國家賠償直接受到迫害的那一代和那一代子女的第二代,我是覺得應該的,但第三代也來硬拗賠償的話,我是覺得拗過頭了。美國黑人的部分我是覺得國家賠償陪到西元19XX世代的結束就夠了,西元兩千年之後,美國黑人應該要靠自己了才對。
同樣概念可以套在猶太人群體身上,德國賠償猶太人二戰結束之後的一百年也夠了,二戰結束之後的一百年,猶太人也該靠自己了。
同樣的概念還是可以套在臺灣的二二八事件,國家應該賠償受害的當代人以及他們的子女,若第三代還來拗賠償,我認為吃相難看!

silent 2020-06-12 05:28 AM

美國廢除奴隸是1865年,
但美國種族隔離制度是到1968年才正式廢除,之前也沒有平等的投票權。

也就是其實才五十多年前,在美國的有色人種(people of color,當然包括亞裔),不能進白人餐廳、白人公廁、白人學校、搭公車得坐到後面有色人種座位,要是前面座位滿了白人坐不下時得站起來讓座...

FLYFLY4 2020-06-12 06:31 AM

五十多年前也將近兩代了,若將來第三代還在硬拗賠償,真的就吃相難看了!


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